Comments on: Electric Vehicle Adoption Projection Between 2022 and 2025 https://carspiritpk.com/electric-vehicle-adoption-projection-between-2022-and-2025/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=electric-vehicle-adoption-projection-between-2022-and-2025 Pakistan's Trusted Automobile Blog Sat, 04 Jun 2022 14:28:59 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Not arguing with Khurram https://carspiritpk.com/electric-vehicle-adoption-projection-between-2022-and-2025/#comment-10862 Sat, 04 Jun 2022 14:28:59 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=53637#comment-10862 In reply to Mehdy Hassan.

These responses aren’t for “him”.
They are for silent readers who tend to get educated due to these debates. The participants on this blog are mission-oriented otherwise choosing to ignore a foul-mouthed and illogical post or writing an incendiary knee-jerk reply is far easier than posting a carefully thought-out, well-researched, logical and fact-supported reply.

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By: Ali Khan https://carspiritpk.com/electric-vehicle-adoption-projection-between-2022-and-2025/#comment-10857 Sat, 04 Jun 2022 06:44:44 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=53637#comment-10857 But it's Just my hope he would actually pay attention to the facts sometime.]]> In reply to Mehdy Hassan.

You are right friend. ๐Ÿ˜‚

But it’s Just my hope he would actually pay attention to the facts sometime.

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By: Mehdy Hassan https://carspiritpk.com/electric-vehicle-adoption-projection-between-2022-and-2025/#comment-10849 Fri, 03 Jun 2022 14:36:52 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=53637#comment-10849 In reply to Ali Khan.

is it of any good use to argue with a stubborn buffoon?

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By: Ali Khan https://carspiritpk.com/electric-vehicle-adoption-projection-between-2022-and-2025/#comment-10848 Fri, 03 Jun 2022 09:39:49 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=53637#comment-10848 )]]> In reply to Khurram.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/26/lifetime-emissions-of-evs-are-lower-than-gasoline-cars-experts-say.html

Here is a small extract from the article…

“A study from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Energy Initiative found that the battery and fuel production for an EV generates higher emissions than the manufacturing of an automobile. But those higher environmental costs are offset by EVsโ€™ superior energy efficiency over time.
In short, the total emissions per mile for battery-powered cars are lower than comparable cars with internal combustion engines.
โ€œIf we are going to take a look at the current situation, in some countries, electric vehicles are better even with the current grid,โ€ Sergey Paltsev, a senior research scientist at the MIT Energy Initiative and one of the studyโ€™s authors, told CNBC.
Paltsev explained that the full benefits of EVs will be realized only after the electricity sources become renewable, and it might take several decades for that to happen.”

In short, even with new EV car production and powering EV with fossil fuel generated power, over its life time and EV is much cleaner than old school ICE cars. And I’m not saying that (an Illiterate Pakistan as per your rants). That is a study from MIT!

If you read the article you are commenting on, you must realize that all the experts sighted say the same thing; EVs are easy to maintain because of the far fewer moving parts than ICE cars. That is one of their main attraction. Why do you keep on repeating this tired old argument of repairs like a broken record?

https://topelectricsuv.com/news/byd/byd-blade-battery-update/#:~:text=It%20promises%20a%20life%20of%20over%201.2%20million%20km%20after%203%2C000%20charging/discharging%20cycles.%20This%20arrangement%20allows%20a%20life%20span%20of%20over%20740%2C000%20miles%20(1.2%20million%20km)%20after%203000%20charge/discharge%20cycles.

https://topelectricsuv.com/news/byd/byd-blade-battery-update/#:~:text=It%20promises%20a%20life%20of%20over%201.2%20million%20km%20after%203%2C000%20charging/discharging%20cycles.%20This%20arrangement%20allows%20a%20life%20span%20of%20over%20740%2C000%20miles%20(1.2%20million%20km)%20after%203000%20charge/discharge%20cycles.

EV batteries promise an average life span of 10 to 20 years. According to the above links, The average EV battery life span is 200,000 miles which is over 300,000 KM! BYD blade batteries have a even longer projected lifespan at around 1.2 million KM!

So on average, if you buy an EV, barring any major events, chances are, your kids would be the ones thinking about the battery replacement.

Just to clarify, these are not the batteries that you find in rechargeable cheap fans or torches or toy motorcars for kids if that is what you are thinking. EV batteries are a completely different beast.

Lastly, we don’t need to recycle. there are many companies in China that do so. they will BUY the depleted batteries back and recycle them.

You are right. EV charge points are lacking. They must be installed. They will be like the “petrol stations” for EVs. People will pay to charge their EV vehicles. That would mean tax revenues for the nation. Another point that is also a problem, the limit to 50Kwh on EV car batteries. Three guesses who pushed for this useless limitation. Nowadays, any good family EV hatchback or EV sedan or EV SUV has battery that starts at around 40 kwh and go up to, on average, 80 kwh or more. If a limit is put on the battery capacity, will people shift to EV if it does not cater to their needs? again can you guess who would benefit from this?

PSPSPS etc… The first comment is very accurate. These companies have kept Pakistan’s auto industry from reaching any kind of potential. They will, only now, introduce hybrids which should have been introduced around a decade ago; and they will do their damnedest to delay our EV adoption and squash any EV manufacturing dreams that we might have. They have done it with ICE cars by not letting local manufacturing flourish and convinced fanboys that it is solely the fault of Pakistani’s because we are… (insert here what ever words that you usually use khurram…. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ)

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By: Khurram https://carspiritpk.com/electric-vehicle-adoption-projection-between-2022-and-2025/#comment-10843 Fri, 03 Jun 2022 03:56:16 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=53637#comment-10843 As far as Pakistan is concerned, the E.V.s can wait for a very long time to come because already frequency of the load shedding has increased, imagine what would happen if the country begins sourcing E.V.s on a mass scale? Well, people would be using alternative power sources to re-charge an E.V. and as not everyone over here has the luxury to install a 5 KVA to 7 KVA solar power electricity production systems. It means an I.C.E. power generation is going to be used so all the point of owning a so-called green vehicle would be lost anyways. Problems exacerbate when one looks at the state of public infrastructure required for charging an E.V. it is still zero. Moreover, and while elites can afford to pay for the repairs of an E.V., users used to buying a Mehran, Cultus, Wagon R cannot even dream about going for even a cheap Chinese E.V… Another factor that is making Pakistan different from even a China is battery-recycling process, aside the fact that it is energy intensive, it is highly technical and illiterate as Pakistanis are they cannot mimic the process in this country in a viable time.

P.S. To certain extent literacy of the educated class of Pakistanis is visible in first comment, it is a shame on humanity that such people are still residing amongst society despite the society’s sweaty work for enhancing quality of education.

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By: Ali Khan https://carspiritpk.com/electric-vehicle-adoption-projection-between-2022-and-2025/#comment-10838 Thu, 02 Jun 2022 16:17:43 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=53637#comment-10838 Like the article says, ICE cars peaked in 2017 and are now in constant decline. Hybrids are projected to peak by 2026, then they will also be in decline. That means the more advanced countries will no longer be the target markets for ICE or Hybrids. That will leave only the poorer nations like ours where tech adoption is very lacking as the target markets. But like the article further states, product for these are getting more expensive. If we are to be their target markets, the question is, will they be able to or willing to sell them cheap enough so people can buy them?

Secondly what I don’t understand is the current rise in oil prices. Yes, war in Ukraine is bad and should not have happened, but does that justify the rise? Are Ukraine or Russia the only oil producers? NO! There are many other counties like Saudi Arabia or Brazil or Venezuela or Iran etc. What about them. Sure there are “sanctions” on some of them but why? That just political. That means the current runaway hike is also nothing more than a manmade political problem. These “sanctions” are hurting all nations, especially nations like ours.

If these old cars companies are worried about loosing their ICE business to the EVs, this is a big factor. Why aren’t they fighting tooth and nail to get the oil supply sorted. That will at least slow down the EV adoption rate and give them some more time and breathing room.

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By: TruongNguyen https://carspiritpk.com/electric-vehicle-adoption-projection-between-2022-and-2025/#comment-10836 Thu, 02 Jun 2022 15:39:12 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=53637#comment-10836 ]]> In reply to Mehdy Hassan.

Because when even Good Old Toyota starts adopting EVs, Mr. Jamali will get parts for Toyota’s unused unsold HEVs at a discount throwaway price ๐Ÿ˜

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By: TruongNguyen https://carspiritpk.com/electric-vehicle-adoption-projection-between-2022-and-2025/#comment-10835 Thu, 02 Jun 2022 15:38:09 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=53637#comment-10835 With the way gas prices are going up, we are likely to see EV adoption in many countries, even in oil rich countries like the Middle East

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By: Mehdy Hassan https://carspiritpk.com/electric-vehicle-adoption-projection-between-2022-and-2025/#comment-10831 Thu, 02 Jun 2022 11:59:41 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=53637#comment-10831 but clowns at IMC wants us to go for hybrids first and then Evs ๐Ÿ˜€

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