“Toyota Production System is inspired on the Wal-Mart systems.”

I was reading this article. I was reminded of your comment…

https://www.cracked.com/article_33281_15-reasons-walmart-is-evil-incarnate.html

Read the article. Especially reasons 1, 2 and 3.

So, according to you, this is what is inspiring Toyota 😵😵😵

“Toyota Production System is inspired on the Wal-Mart systems.”

Really… Some reading material would be very appreciated!

But what you say makes sense in a way. Toyota does seem to have studied walmart, that would explain why every employee is under paid to the point that some are driven to suicide and they are all living just on the minimum wage/ (extreme) poverty line and asking for a raise in the Japanese system is deemed dishonorable (in walmart any employee asking for a raise is either discouraged or fired if too persistent). And that would also mean Toyota’s greeting would be something like “welcome to Toyota, get your s**t and get out!” 😂 Going by the attitudes of the showroom people here in Pakistan and all the own crap; that Toyota greeting would totally makes sense.
The Walmart connection makes a LOT of Sense! 👍 Good work Khurram… 😵😂

In the mean time, here are some facts I came across.

https://www.qad.com/blog/2018/03/taiichi-ohno-toyota-production-system

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/history-lean-what-inspired-toyota-oskar-olofsson

The person that is most recognised with establishing the Toyota production system is named Taiichi Ohno. He did study american businesses like ford motors for their assembly lines and he studied the way supermarkets operated in the US. That was for the concept of having each required component ready and placed on a shelf on the assembly/production line so it can be easily reached. They call it the lean manufacturing system or JIT Just in Time system.

You are making a lot of suppositions in your second pera. But even then going by your own argument, the Chinese also copied and now have achieved something better. So that also means we should not call Chinese cars copies.

Lastly, everyone goes to get education in places where there is experience in the field someone is targeting. As far as hiring goes, that is the ways things work. You attract skilled work force from around the globe to benefit your company. Jap did that as well. If everything seems more accelerated, it’s because the norms have been set and this practice of talent “company hopping” for better positions is even more fast and more common. The pace of the world has increased.

Again, why is China bad for doing everything Japan has already done and everyone is doing because that is how things work.

Argument for the sake of argument again Khurram?

You may be right, but only about the PAST. Yes Chinese did start out with low quality products but who didn’t? There a lot of documentaries even on YouTube that discuss the rise of the Japanese auto industry to where they are today. For example, The first car that reached the UK in 1965 was called the Daihatsu compagno. It was laughable. It was considered very bad. Junk even. Then they learned and improved over the following DECADES.

The only reason that the Japs seems so good to us is that most of us grew up with them AFTER they had literally got their S**t together.

The Chinese are going through the phase of getting their S**t together in front of us. So we are seeing them go from selling crap to becoming world recognised. And that is causing problems. Once first impressions are made, it very hard to change them. But the Chinese are meeting the challenge. Just like the Japs did, all those decades ago.

This is just an other case of history copying itself. Even history is a copycat. 😂

But there have been many articles here on CSPK that show how well the Chinese companies are doing. Even Toyota is asking BYD to make them a car. And they are being used as official cars in countries as well as giving good sales and getting recognition. What are your thoughts on that?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/news/a28691/the-first-japanese-car-sold-in-britain-was-a-piece-of-junk/#:~:text=The%20first%20Japanese%20car%20ever,shores%20in%20May%20of%201965.

Still thinking what he was smoking to have made that kind of comparison… 🤪🥴

The Japanese have also employed and hired engineers and designers from America and Europe, but in their case they’re not “corrupt” are they?? The Nissan 350Z was one of the first Nissan Z cars to be actually designed by an American designer. Yet it was still successful mainly thanks to it’s design and styling and not as much thanks to it’s initial engine problems. It is still regarded one of the best looking Z cars today!

Companies hiring people from other countries/industries is not anything bad or derogating, Khurram. You should for once stop thinking with keeping the Japanese on such a high stool for some reason. Companies like Mazda and Nissan have allied with the Americans and the French and has used their technology, design, engineering, manufacturing, etc etc. It’s not something only the Chinese and Korean do.

Bhai… your favorite company Good Old Toyota themselves have partnered with BMW. That’s how they made the new Supra. It was a car completely designed, manufactured, engineered and sold by Germans in German factories. But I get it; Toyota isn’t “corrupt” for doing this just because they’re Japanese right? 🙄

‘what unique contribution have the corrupt Chinese made to the auto sector’

Chinese did to the auto sector what they did to practically everything else. Deliver 60% of the quality of a comparable foreign product at 5% the price. It is only Chinese manufacturing that has commoditized so many things we take for granted. Once upon a time only the richest house in the neighbourhood could own the American fridge, German radio (Blaupunkt anyone?), National TV or a Sony Walkman. It was Chinese no-name ODMs that completely brought everything into everybody’s reach.

Right now the reason of growing success of Korean and Chinese vehicles in Middle East, Australasia and Europe is this Chinese style of business: bring disposable product at throwaway prices and profit on volume instead of profiting on shortage.

In other words, Chinese contribution has been from the business & societal point-of-view more than a technical point-of-view. There is no benefit of any remarkable technology unless buyers can actually afford it.

Another factor is out of control of any corporation: Japanese corporations are going to be less and less competitive because of the frequent cycles of currency deflation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflation#Japan. Chinese corporations are going to be more and more competitive because the Chinese currency is not facing the same problem and in fact the US has again & again accused China that they (China) artificially devalue their currency to keep the exports cheap and make the imports expensive https://trends.ufm.edu/en/article/china-devalue-its-currency/.

‘they have hired engineers from America and Europe’

No. They have hired “vehicle designers” from America and Europe https://carspiritpk.com/world-famous-designers-now-designing-chinese-cars/. The designer is like the architect of the vehicle and has no particular relation to engineering of that product. As far as engineering is concerned, Chinese engineering is good enough for Toyota to select it https://carspiritpk.com/toyota-bz-sdn-electric-sedan-to-debut-next-month/, you always repeat that Toyota always delivers durability, why they selected BYD as their OEM? Did Toyota compromise on its standard or is BYD’s result high enough to meet Toyota’s standard?
When the Chinese companies invited European designers – it has been 2-way acceptance, European designers have also accepted to work for Chinese companies despite the fact that many Europeans are very racist and greatly look down upon the Orient. It means that they have consciously overcome their internal biases & egotism and chose to accept the reality about the rise of the Orient, an action some of our commentators don’t want to do.

Conversely what about the fact that Japanese corporations have design centers in America? Toyota’s 14 design & research centers https://www.toyota.com/usa/operations/map.html and Honda’s 14 design studios in the US https://hondainamerica.com/r-and-d/?

‘they have sent students to American and European universities to get assimilation in advanced studies’

Student exchange and cultural exchange is a national foreign policy of practically all countries. American and European students are also found in hordes in Chinese universities. China has a long thousands of years of history of education. Chinese are in fact the pioneers of the concept of university ranking. The Academic Ranking of World Universities commonly known as Shanghai Ranking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_Ranking_of_World_Universities is the first ever university ranking in the world. Later on the Times Higher Education (THE Ranking), QS World Ranking and even more later, the HEC Ranking of Pakistan was developed.

what unique contribution have the corrupt Chinese made to the auto sector

EVs is the BIGGEST contribution the Chinese have made to the global auto industry, the battery, the motor are mostly CHinese even in European cars, ever heard of CATL? FARASIS?

that Oshan Z6 being copy of LC300 was probably the best 😛