Comments on: Two Years and Still No Euro-5 Cars? https://carspiritpk.com/two-years-and-still-no-euro-5-cars/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=two-years-and-still-no-euro-5-cars Pakistan's Trusted Automobile Blog Wed, 09 Aug 2023 06:29:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Assessing whose vested interest is where https://carspiritpk.com/two-years-and-still-no-euro-5-cars/#comment-14389 Wed, 09 Aug 2023 06:29:08 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=55316#comment-14389 Adopting the Agatha Christie’s framing method, who has what motive?

Car assemblers avoiding Euro 5 cars due to saving money, inventory costs and overheads. Now they always cry out that Euro 5 fuel isn’t available that’s why.

In fact using Euro 2/3 fuel with Euro 5 vehicles will result in greater maintenance costs for the customer and more earning for the company.

Vice versa if Euro 5 ULSD fuel is being used in a Euro7/6/5/4/3/2/1 or whichever engine, the engine’s life will be greatly enhanced! Engine oil life will also be increased and the engine oil change interval will become 40,000 kilometers! The bus which goes from Karachi to Peshawar changes oil in Karachi, then changes in Peshawar, then changes in Karachi again.
Now it is changing twice per round trip. Then, it would change only once per 10 round trips! Imagine the reduction in downtime, the improvement in occupation safety (well oil change is a dangerous job due to the hot oil, awkward working position, working in confined space under the vehicle – needing to do this job less frequently does mean a reduction/elimination of hazardous work), and the overall environmental benefit (discarded oil needs to go somewhere) and reduced reliance on imported stuff.

Since the carmkers offer their own rebranded packaging of lube oils, they have a vested interest in Euro 5 fuels not becoming available. Fuelmakers are also the ones who make the lube oil, they also have less incentive to bring Euro 5. It is not as much about the Euro 5 cars as much as it is about the Euro 5 fuels!

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By: NRL's diesel is Euro V since Jan 2021 https://carspiritpk.com/two-years-and-still-no-euro-5-cars/#comment-13721 Fri, 07 Apr 2023 06:06:49 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=55316#comment-13721 In reply to Only imported is Euro 5, local still Euro 2!.

Relevant here: On 06 Apr 2023 this comment was posted https://carspiritpk.com/euro-2-in-pakistan-a-decade/#comment-13715 which mentions that National Refinery met the deadline of diesel Euro V (01 Jan 2021). NRL did miss the 01 Aug 2021 deadline for Euro5 petrol and as of April 2023 is still producing Euro2 petrol. The other 4 local refineries all also producing Euro2 petrol and Euro-II diesel as of April 2023.

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By: Ali Khan https://carspiritpk.com/two-years-and-still-no-euro-5-cars/#comment-11377 Tue, 05 Jul 2022 16:06:06 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=55316#comment-11377 In reply to Euro6, not Euro5!.

Exactly. I stand corrected. That just makes what these companies are doing so much worse.

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By: Euro 5 and import bill of European & Asian country https://carspiritpk.com/two-years-and-still-no-euro-5-cars/#comment-11362 Tue, 05 Jul 2022 08:22:56 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=55316#comment-11362 In reply to Khurram.

“Seeing as Euro 5 failed to make drastic differences in the country’s import bill”

Seeing the wrong thing?
Euro 5 was never meant to make any difference to any country’s import bill. Euro 5 is meant for air quality, preventing preventable man-caused diseases like lung cancer, asthma etc.
How is any country’s import bill even relevant to this topic?

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By: TruongNguyen https://carspiritpk.com/two-years-and-still-no-euro-5-cars/#comment-11359 Tue, 05 Jul 2022 08:13:23 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=55316#comment-11359 ]]> In reply to Mehdy Hassan.

forget carburetors… why isn’t the country importing and producing more coal since we can easily use coal to power steam powered vehicles instead of dealing with cumbersome fuel drinking carburetor powered vehicles! 😁

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By: Mehdy Hassan https://carspiritpk.com/two-years-and-still-no-euro-5-cars/#comment-11351 Tue, 05 Jul 2022 06:47:58 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=55316#comment-11351 In reply to Khurram.

agree.. why they even bothered to upgrade them to Euro 2 since carburetor was efficient and effective and plenty of examples of their work were found in daily lives.

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By: Khurram https://carspiritpk.com/two-years-and-still-no-euro-5-cars/#comment-11350 Tue, 05 Jul 2022 06:42:27 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=55316#comment-11350 Seeing as Euro 5 failed to make drastic differences in the country’s import bill, I doubt that the government currently trying ardently from saving Pakistani economy from default would mire itself with another long exercise. Anyways, why even invest a mighty amount when only simply raising fuel prices is working efficiently and controlling import bills?
As regards the poor obsolete models being forced out of the market, well, why should they be decommissioned when these models are doing their jobs? For the record they are efficient and effective and the examples of their work can be found in daily lives.

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By: Only imported is Euro 5, local still Euro 2! https://carspiritpk.com/two-years-and-still-no-euro-5-cars/#comment-11348 Tue, 05 Jul 2022 05:49:03 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=55316#comment-11348 Pakistan made a shift from Euro-2 to higher quality Euro-5 fuel standards in year 2020. The petrol was shifted to Euro-5 standards from the 1st of August 2020, whereas diesel standard werer[sic] uplifted from January 2021.

will be more truly represented by “The imported petrol was shifted to Euro-5 standards from the 1st of August 2020, whereas diesel imports were uplifted from January 2021.

The 5 local refineries are still struggling to get themselves up to Euro5 and it will take them till the next decade to begin pouring out compliant fuel. Some of them are targeting Euro6 too.

https://carspiritpk.com/euro-2-in-pakistan-a-decade/#comment-9495

Comments-thread below the above-linked comment also notes that the local refineries were laggard. The auto-assemblers belatedly shifted their cars to Euro 2 in 2012 but the local refineries took their sweet time till 2017 to begin producing Euro 2.

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By: Any update about MMT? https://carspiritpk.com/two-years-and-still-no-euro-5-cars/#comment-11347 Tue, 05 Jul 2022 05:28:35 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=55316#comment-11347 The MMT fiasco has been lingering on since Nov 2016 when RON 87 was phased out in favour of (imported) RON 92, 95 & 97 and (locally refined) RON 90. Note how the local companies were held to a lower standard.

https://www.daytimes.pk/ron-92-petrol-will-be-in-pakistan-in-november-2016-3393/
https://www.fuelsandlubes.com/tests-by-pakistans-ogra-reveal-excessive-use-of-chemicals-in-petrol/

Refineries used the cheap lethal shortcut of MMT overdose to improve their octane number at the expense of human and engine health.

https://carspiritpk.com/pakistan-to-adapt-euro-5-standards/#comment-4914
https://carspiritpk.com/blame-where-the-blame-is-due/#comment-7866

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By: Euro6, not Euro5! https://carspiritpk.com/two-years-and-still-no-euro-5-cars/#comment-11346 Tue, 05 Jul 2022 04:49:11 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=55316#comment-11346 In reply to Ali Khan.

These engines don’t begin their life as Euro5. They begin their life as Euro6!

Most countries have already adopted Euro6 which includes high-population countries such as China & India & entire Europe. Some countries are being laggard when it comes to pollution e.g. the US, Australia and, unfortunately Pakistan is also included in this list.
Euro6 is far, far better than Euro5 when it comes to public health.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_standards

https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/figures/number-of-international-environmental-agreements-adopted-1 (old data, updated only till 2016)

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