Quote: “the other types of pollution EVs create are tyre noise and brake dust (harmful to health), road dust & road debris. Another source of noise pollution is the horn, which isn’t going to magically go away. All these factors plague ICE vehicles and EVs alike.”

Hold on! There is no comparison of brake dust between ICE and EV/PHEV/hybrid.
Ice doesn not and cannot have regenerative braking.
Regenerative braking means single-foot driving. Once upon a time there used to be 3 pedals, gradually reduced to 2 and now going to 1.
Brake pads in EVs/PHEVs/hybrids get used a lot less because of the regen braking. As a result, the brake dust pollution is minimal compared to ICE.

While EV-haters people are literally falling over themselves using the argument of greater tyre dust, they conveniently and hypocritically ignore the concept of reduced brake dust, the reduction of which is one of the main points in Euro 7 emissions standard too. Not only this means cleaner wheel rims, it means cleaner lungs too.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/11/heres-how-to-survive-your-relatives-ignorant-anti-ev-rant-this-thanksgiving/?comments=1&post=43308242

“1 unit of electricity is costing https://www.ke.com.pk/customer-services/tariff-structure/ rupees 19.66 per unit”

Ok now K-Electric has initiated a dedicated tariff category specifically for EV charging stations.
https://www.ke.com.pk/assets/uploads/2022/07/SRO-1175-July-25-2022.pdf

The tariff category A2-D Electric Vehicle Charging Station (EVCS) will cost 31.93 /unit from Oct 2022 onwards. Now add Electricity Duty, Sales Tax, Further Tax, Extra Tax (don’t laugh, these comical sounding taxes do appear in the bills), Advance Income Tax under section 235, Fuel Charges Adj. of previous months for which you’ve already paid the bill, Uniform Quarterly Adjustment for which you’ve already paid the bill, KMC fee (MUCT, currently stay ordered by SHC), around 55%+ amount is only taxes. Now 31.93 will cost well above 50/ unit.

A 90 kWh battery will take around 100 units to charge, means 5000 rupees. It will run for 800 km, 6.25 per km – well below what a diesel or petrol car costs, but well above Re. 1 /km.

Most sensible comment. I agree that urban mobility is solved by mass transportation and the last mile connectivity will be an issue. However, spending large sums of money on EV infrastructure will be invain as each vehicle to get charged seeks large amounts of time.

The government will need to develop a massive EV charging setup

No need for that. Government didn’t set up all the petrol pumps. They didn’t make any CNG pumps. Why would they need to make any “EV pumps”? In places where there is no grid, just there will be lots of people randomly sitting with generator on the roadside offering you some charge.

govt dint make cng pumps but its not giving them cng so they are closed now. if govt don’t give electricity to private charging stations then whats the use? cng cars can be switched back to petrol, what about evs?

Roadside mechanic is already unable to do most things with a modern EFI engine.

THIS. Exactly this lmao. Most roadside mechanics won’t even work on anything more complex than a cd70 or a Suzuki, ask me how I know…

Considering how expensive copper is, would the EVs begin to be stolen for copper?

Quite possible… but not likely. These wires aren’t so easy to just plug off like plugging off a wire from the wall, and they’re extremely dangerous to handle. They almost always carry charge (since the battery and ultimately the vehicle always HAS to have some amount of charge to ensure good lasting battery health) so any smartass that gets under the hood and tries to steal this will instantly see a bright white light shining upon him from the heavens above. Plus it won’t be an easy and swift job, and seeing how nowadays every car is just loaded with technology connected to the IoT, whoever gets their car stolen will surely meet the owner in a few hours.

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This topic has been covered on PakWheels blog before: https://carspiritpk.com/are-electric-cars-viable-for-pakistani-consumers/ but this one is more exhaustive/

will the third world markets benefit from the EV revolution, or they can?

Yes of course. It is the third world countries that will benefit the most. People usually stop on highways for eating a meal, at those places the chai wala will put a generator and sell the electricity to recharge the vehicles.

if you try to make Chinese happy, the Japanese will complain and vice versa.

It is because we are beggars when it comes to technology. We have to beg from one country or the other and then play to their tune.

EVs don’t require belts & pulleys, they don’t need a radiator, no engine oil, no transmission, no lubricants, no silencer, no exhaust manifold and list goes on.

The photograph below this sentence shows a lot of bottles despite the “tappet cover” showing “EV”. Brake oil reservoir, brake pipes, and green-colored anti-freeze in a bottle can be seen, presumably the cooling system for the battery – which means in turn a radiator will also be present! A conventional lead-battery can also be seen which will routinely require battery water top-up. Windshield wiper fluid and A/C gas are other fluids present in the system. EVs will definitely require brake pads and tires ever so often because of the great torque of EV motor, initial acceleration is very high. EVs are also heavier than ICE because the motor is not heavy but the battery is, thus needing higher load rating tyres – which are naturally more expensive. https://carspiritpk.com/byd-aims-to-become-second-car-company-to-reach-1-million-ev-sales-in-a-year/#comment-7748

Electric vehicles are also called zero emission vehicles

EVs do cause pollution, not all the polluting factors are removed. Other than the cliche topics of lithium vs cobalt, disposal of expired batteries, mining-slavery, environmental impact of new vehicle manufacturing, and the smoke pollution being transferred from the tailpipe to the chimney of the fossil fuel power plant, the other types of pollution EVs create are tyre noise and brake dust (harmful to health), road dust & road debris. Another source of noise pollution is the horn, which isn’t going to magically go away. All these factors plague ICE vehicles and EVs alike.

The estimated price of running an electric car will be around just a rupee per kilometer.

How is it possible. Let’s do the maths.
1 kWh = 1 unit. 1 unit is costing
Most EV travel 5km/unit, 20 units for 100 km.
1 unit of electricity is costing https://www.ke.com.pk/customer-services/tariff-structure/ rupees 19.66 per unit (taken the off-peak hour rate as a representative since the commercial unit is also somewhat similar. Moreover if you routinely charge your EV at home you’ll easily surpass “Above 700 units” slab as you’ll use 200+ units per month only for charging a car that runs for around 1000 km.) Electricity duty, sales tax, monthly FCA and quarterly FCA is calculated over and above.

Quoting the capacity of batteries from the article:

Today EVs can have a battery of 30kwh to up to 200kwh which is good for driving range from 170km to up to 600km respectively.

30 kWh = 30 units. Assuming no other losses,
170km/30kWh = 5.66 km/unit => 19.66/5.66 = 3.47 rupees/km. A thousand km/month isn’t going to cost you 1000 rupees. It is going to cost you 3470 rupees.
600km/200kWh = 3 km/unit => 19.66/3 = 6.53 rupees/km. A thousand km/month isn’t going to cost you 1000 rupees. It i going to cost you 6530 rupees.
Remember this is just taking the basic price per unit. If you remember that the bill ha lots of taxes and surcharges on it, and once you’ve already paid the bill, a few months down the road you still pay even more for that historic month in the name of fuel charges adjustment, which is sometimes upto 20% of the original bill. This doesn’t even count the charging/discharging losses.

So the EV may be cheaper, but it will depend upon what you’re paying for the electricity. If you have a a large solar power setup, it is going to be practically free. You can even let your neighbours charge at yours to recoup the value of the solar setup much faster.

The government will need to develop a massive EV charging setup

No need for that. Government didn’t set up all the petrol pumps. They didn’t make any CNG pumps. Why would they need to make any “EV pumps”? In places where there is no grid, just there will be lots of people randomly sitting with generator on the roadside offering you some charge.

Even in cities with huge traffic jams in peak hours, if you are stuck in such situation that drains out your charge in start-stop traffic

In addition to start-stop traffic, idling will still consume battery since the exterior and interior lights, power windows, power mirrors, mirror defoggers and A/c … all of them require energy to work. So you go to the icecream parlor and decide to sit in the car, voila you’re using the battery in idling.

Suppose if there is a load shedding session and you are unable to charge your EV, there won’t be much you will be able to do.

No, no, no. Everybody has generator, UPS and solar these days. If there is load shedding, people will just crank their genset to charge their car. Needless to say the electricity from genset is very expensive in terms of liters per unit, that is why people run full load on WAPDA but use a small genset at home which can run fans but not A/c.

You might not have the luxury to find a road side mechanic to be able to solve the problems with your car on the go.

Roadside mechanic is already unable to do most things with a modern EFI engine. Some of the maintenance EVs will require is just conventional maintenance such as weekly wash, tyre puncture, denting painting, polish/wax, seat covers, door locks and power windows, brake pads replacement etc.

Bumper question: The photos above show a thick red cable from the battery pack. Considering how expensive copper is, would the EVs begin to be stolen for copper? In the hey-days of CNG, cars would get stolen and then recovered parked somewhere without any major damage but without the CNG apparatus. Will it be that in the future EV gets stolen and then recovered, but without the thick cables?