yes times are tough for Honda. even if they bring a City replacement it will be hard for them to price it competitively but if they exceed 3.0m it will fall in the league of Cerato & Elantra… Honda Civic is already facing competition from SUVs… perhaps they might want to consider adding BR-V to their consolidated sales numbers in future..
]]>Sir, a quick question. What do you think is the future of Honda here in Pakistan? As you yourself have reported, Honda is closing plants in the region which are not profitable. They have closed plants in the Philippines. In India the assembly plant for the city and the civic was/will be closed and the Civic will also be discontinued in Japan. The reason is poor sales.
As you know the sales for the Civic and the City are suffering badly here as well. So much so that Honda has been giving combined sales figures for both for a long time now.
Will Honda’s regional consolidation effort target the cars here as well because if we compare the sales figures, Pakistan is right on the edge for consideration for cancelation. Is that a correct assumption? What do you think?
The units available at dealer are CBU while the ones that are booked will be CKD.
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]]>Yes, it was cancelled by Honda due to having Changan Dealership just adjacent to Honda City Sales. Honda at that time did not allowed it (may be current market scenario after Changan is launched they had a different response)
]]>I agree that a Toyota and Honda too require parts replacement like any other car but my point was frequency of this maintenance, even with rough use these cars do not require it very often. However, like always, your succinct reply have really rendered me speechless this time and I must admit that it is making sense that learning curve applies to Chinese manufacturers as well. However, I am going to wait before choosing this brand until I have some sort of user-based experience to go on since my risk to money spent on after buying period cannot be alleviated unless I can know how long these Chinese cars are going to survive before needing maintenance. You see with the Toyota this problem has been resolved by the fact that each version since 60s had delivered better experience even in Pakistan therefore, for it my worry is lower.
Anyways, off all the respondents to my comments you have cleared my ambiguity about Chinese cars, now I only need to know about cost of maintaining these cars before switching to the brand.
I have been following Chinese cars for more than a decade and in touch with different Chinese auto bloggers too… I say we can classify the Chinese cars in 4 generations. 1) when they started by copying other popular cars in 2002/2003 (the Chery QQ/ Geely CK era we know), then comes the 2nd generation when they started to develop weird looking cars on their own based on licensed technology (eg: FAW V2) in 2008/2009, then the 3rd generation when they started producing cars which were acclaimed by various European regulatory bodies in 2012/13 (these cars sadly never appeared here in our market), then comes the 4th generation of Chinese cars from 2017/18 onwards…
The problem is that Pakistanis have so far experience the 1st & 2nd gen Chinese cars and their opinion & belief is based on the experience of these primitive cars. The Alsvin or Geely Boyue (Proton X70) or the latest lot of MG cars belong to the 4th generation and is miles apart in terms of performance and recognition in developed markets compared to the initial lot of Chinese cars we dealt with. Now don’t bring United Bravo or Prince Pearl into debate since these are the cars that are sold nowhere else in the world, not even in China and were brought in by local businessman thinking they can cash on the success of Suzuki Mehran by offering cosmetic enhancements over the same tried & tested engine & transmission. These cars have no crash worthiness and were developed by low-scale unknown Chinese automakers in third tier cities there.
Now all important is for the newcomers to ensure proper after sales service & make sure the owners are not stranded as in case of Adam Revo. After all these are machines & would need replacement parts on the course of time and without spare part support even Suzuki or Toyota cannot survive in the market. If parts availability is not an issue, I am sure these 4th gen Chinese cars will become a real threat to the existing players in a longer run.
PS.. never seen Honda & Toyota spending so much on social marketing recently… means they are already feeling the heat and sensing the threat.. plus having discussions with the insiders I can assure you things are not that good in Big3 camp at the moment… which means the 4th gen of Chinese cars can change the game… and Big3 knows it well… better than anyone of us here!
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