Comments on: Dilemma of Having an EV in Pakistan https://carspiritpk.com/dilemma-of-having-an-ev-in-pakistan/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=dilemma-of-having-an-ev-in-pakistan Pakistan's Trusted Automobile Blog Wed, 06 Nov 2024 04:34:38 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Business quality problem https://carspiritpk.com/dilemma-of-having-an-ev-in-pakistan/#comment-15043 Thu, 16 Nov 2023 12:49:39 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=75802#comment-15043 It is a general “service quality” or “service reliability” issue.
The same is with CNG availability. Either the government-mandated load-shedding or sometimes the pressure is low without any reason.
Petrol used to be tainted with kerosene till the time kerosene became more expensive than petrol.
Some petrol pumps’ petrol is gets mixed with water during rains and the result is bent conrods.
Diesel is notoriously poor quality.
There is lots of scamming in fossil fuels. Tampered gauges and other scams aplenty.

Even the most lavish places have pathetic quality of business. The furniture and crockery in 5-star hotels is no better that local dhaaba. It is literally falling apart. Last time in Karachi Gymkhana (the most elitist club) they refused to sell tea because “the gas in the cylinder has ended”.

The entire fabric of the society is in tatters.

]]> By: Ali Khan https://carspiritpk.com/dilemma-of-having-an-ev-in-pakistan/#comment-15041 Wed, 15 Nov 2023 18:42:36 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=75802#comment-15041 ) One US gallon = 3.78541 liters. So 1.8 US gallons = 6.81374 L or approx. 6.8 L <span>Cost of 6.8 L of petrol = 6.8 x 283.38 = 1,926.98 PKR or approx. 1,927 PKR</span> 100 miles = 161 KM. So, per KM cost for the new prius = 1,927/161 = 11.96 or approx 12 PKR per KM. So, to summarize: Per KM cost of EV = 11 PKR (keep in mind, THIS cost is with AC on! W/o AC it will be lower) Per KM Cost of one of the best Hybrids there is = 12 PKR Per KM cost of CNG = 13 PKR Even at the very high unit cost of the EV charging stations, EVs still present the lowest cost in this case. And the added benefit; no tailpipe emissions. Fun fact; the new Prius is now available in the market as a JDM import. It is priced at around 2 caror! WOW!. So the EV in this case (the DFSK Seres 3 will be around 1 caror PKR) is not only almost half the price, its cheaper to run. And, yes, I completely acknowledge that long routes will, for now, be problematic but for city drive, where it will spend most of its life on average, it will be the better deal. One other point is that home solar installations are becoming common. For those who will charge at home using solar, they can literally charge their EVs for free.👍]]> Load shedding is a big problem for EVs in Pakistan. However, can we afford not to transition to EVs right now? I mean Lahore is not shutting down for the fun of it now, is it? Smog is becoming a killer problem.
The bigger problem is, Pakistan needs to seriously rethink taxes on EVs (and even hybrids). If even cheap EVs that cost way less than 40 or 50 lacs PKR in China are being sold here for more than double that, even with local assembly, we know there are a lot of taxes and high company margins involved. And right now the government needs to ensure that cheap affordable EVs are imported from china for the masses. Lots of good companies are available like leapmotor (the rinco aria in Pakistan was a (Chinese) copy of their small EV) and Baojun etc. For example, the Baojun Yep is a small $12,000 EV SUV in China!

I would like to share some rough calculations here. There is a video for the first drive of the DSFK Seres 3 EV on the PW YouTube channel. The Seres 3 has a battery capacity of 49kWh. The DSFK guy says that for a good easy calculation, it will take 49 units to fully charge the battery from 0 to 100 percent. They too take the price of the fuel to be at the 70 rupees per unit rate. That would mean:

49 x 70 = 3,430 PKR (for a full charge)

The guy says that it has a claimed range of a little over 400KM. However, in their testing, in city (start-stop) driving with the AC on it gave around 320 to 330 KM of range.

So to calculate the per KM rate that means: 3430/320 = 10.7 PKR per Km or approx. 11 PKR per KM.

A relative of mine has an old Cultus with CNG. He says that it takes him around 2300PKR to fill up the CNG tank and it gives him around 180KM in the city.

So to calculate the per KM rate for CNG: 2300/180 = 12.78 PKR per KM or approx. 13 pkr per KM.

Lastly to calculate the very best that petrol can give us lets go straight to the top.

The US EPA fuel consumption figures for the new Prius = 1.8gallons/100miles.
(pretty much no difference between the US and JDM prius so these consumption figures will do for this comparison.🙂)

One US gallon = 3.78541 liters. So 1.8 US gallons = 6.81374 L or approx. 6.8 L

Cost of 6.8 L of petrol = 6.8 x 283.38 = 1,926.98 PKR or approx. 1,927 PKR

100 miles = 161 KM.

So, per KM cost for the new prius = 1,927/161 = 11.96 or approx 12 PKR per KM.

So, to summarize:
Per KM cost of EV = 11 PKR (keep in mind, THIS cost is with AC on! W/o AC it will be lower)
Per KM Cost of one of the best Hybrids there is = 12 PKR
Per KM cost of CNG = 13 PKR

Even at the very high unit cost of the EV charging stations, EVs still present the lowest cost in this case. And the added benefit; no tailpipe emissions.

Fun fact; the new Prius is now available in the market as a JDM import. It is priced at around 2 caror! WOW!. So the EV in this case (the DFSK Seres 3 will be around 1 caror PKR) is not only almost half the price, its cheaper to run. And, yes, I completely acknowledge that long routes will, for now, be problematic but for city drive, where it will spend most of its life on average, it will be the better deal.

One other point is that home solar installations are becoming common. For those who will charge at home using solar, they can literally charge their EVs for free.👍

]]> By: Mirza I https://carspiritpk.com/dilemma-of-having-an-ev-in-pakistan/#comment-15038 Wed, 15 Nov 2023 09:52:56 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=75802#comment-15038 Until and unless power is generated thorough renewable sources at affordable prices, EV adoption is absolutely meaningless. Battery technology needs much more advancement than what it is now. In a country like Pakistan, EV adoption will get the same fate as CNG adoption.

]]> By: High rate of EV charging still not enough https://carspiritpk.com/dilemma-of-having-an-ev-in-pakistan/#comment-15036 Wed, 15 Nov 2023 07:02:53 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=75802#comment-15036 There is a specific A-2(d) commercial tariff category for EV charging stations.
I will give you the hyperlinks of K-Electric since by far it is the best websites out of all DISCOs.

Tariff structure main page: https://www.ke.com.pk/customer-services/tariff-structure/
Current in-vogue tariff: https://www.ke.com.pk/assets/uploads/2023/07/SRO-977-dated-July-27-2023.pdf

The current unit rate for A-2d is 39.43 rupees/kWh.
Add to that 150,000 different kinds of taxes.
Add Power Holdings Limited surcharge 3.23 rupees.
Add TV License fee 60 rupees for commercial customer.

Then when you’ve already paid your bill, it is not enough.
Further extraction of money will continue after 2 or 3 months in the name of FCA.
Then 1 or 2 years down the road, you’ll pay Uniform Quarterly Adjustment on the same bill. If you left your place, someone else will bear the burden of your UQA. If you are a new tenant or owner, you will be penalized for someone else’s consumption.

Furthermore, the power factor losses for modern switching power supplies (electronic supplies based on PWM tech) is not even under discussion https://carspiritpk.com/pakistans-soes-in-shambles/#comment-14994.

And the charging station will continue to be fleeced for more and more money by the DISCO again & again. Consume once, and then keep paying again and again.

As the business also needs to pay salaries, SSI, EOBI, PF, gratuity, medical; rent for the land and/or property tax, the few kinds of jagga bhatta that is common in Pakistan, bribes to practically all the government inspectors that frequent the place and the local police station and to some blackmailer kind of media outlets, do you think 70 rupees/unit is enough to sustain all those expenses? I think the charging station will soon go bankrupt even with charging such a high rate, because of these unknown & variable overheads.

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