Comments on: Pakistan to Get New Suzuki Swift in 2022 https://carspiritpk.com/pakistan-to-get-new-swift-in-2022/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=pakistan-to-get-new-swift-in-2022 Pakistan's Trusted Automobile Blog Tue, 08 Feb 2022 05:18:14 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Khurram https://carspiritpk.com/pakistan-to-get-new-swift-in-2022/#comment-8662 Tue, 08 Feb 2022 05:18:14 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=47220#comment-8662 In reply to Purchase price, repair cost and running cost.

Rant? So I rant. You advice me not to insult other people and yet it’s okay for you to use word rant against me, yet you wonder that I should accept the long and illogical rigmarole posted by you over here.
Firstly, Bolan and Ravi are commercial vehicles and therefore, cannot be compared with Mehran. Secondly, Mehran’s quality got worse, remember buyers of Mehran do not seek what is being sought after by buyers of Bolan or Ravi, which reduced its cost to profit ratio even than what a Baleno, 8th and 9th generation Corolla can give you and these could be bought under the same budget and at the same time offer you a larger life cycle ratio. Is not this a competition, the company realised that Mehran’s fuel average is not anymore able to cover the replacement cost of its parts. Thirdly, where exactly did you hear that Alto is a good replacement? The car has not even been in the market for more than three years, already people are lamenting that its body parts are expensive but are realising that it is still worth a buy because its fuel consumption is rendering them a reasonable cover for their expenditure.

P.S. please do not insult the concepts such as life cycle by merely writing them because you are seeing other people do it, it is a vast concept and has an arcane meaning and cannot be explained in few lines.

P.P.S. As for newer Civic getting cheaper, well, firstly America is developed and Pakistan is merely primary and consumption based economy. It does not has the same level of technical infrastructure as the U.S. because of several comprehensive factors that cannot be explained over here.

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By: Engineering Explained YouTube vid about inflation https://carspiritpk.com/pakistan-to-get-new-swift-in-2022/#comment-8659 Mon, 07 Feb 2022 16:39:41 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=47220#comment-8659 In reply to Purchase price, repair cost and running cost.

https://youtu.be/yTXsg0bUKUI?t=130

This guy clearly tells that if Honda kept selling 2000 model Civic (US market) then in 2000 it was $14,930 but only adjusting for inflation it would have cost $22,500. In comparison the 2022 Civic is more improved but only costs $20,000. Despite the R&D expense and increased manufacturing cost, the car is still cheaper.

This is how things get more expensive with time unless you continuously create new technology.

(In Pakistan cars are more expensive because market is hostage oligopoly cartel and the technology creation is not indigenous. In the US the free market reigns and competition is better. But despite those shortcomings each model change in Pakistan is an improvement as can be seen by 2nd gen Alto {Mehran} vs 8th gen Alto.)

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By: Purchase price, repair cost and running cost https://carspiritpk.com/pakistan-to-get-new-swift-in-2022/#comment-8247 Sat, 15 Jan 2022 18:38:10 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=47220#comment-8247 In reply to Khurram.

why did you choose to ignore

It is not about choosing to ignore. Some of the things you write are really good arguments. But you write a lot. And most of it is nonsense flaming on other commenters. Just keep to the topic and keep it succinct. It is really too much to read to find the needle in the haystack. Your actual technical and financial solid argument needs to be unearthed from all the ranting you post.

any technology that would not increase purchase price and repair cost of vehicles for me would be appreciated

This is good. All of us want this. Yet when the other commenters note that the existing 3 companies are selling poor quality at high profit ratio you are the one to fight them tooth and nail and argue for the right to profit of these companies. Higher quality means less frequency of repair. No over-profiteering means low purchase price. All of us are on the same page.

One more point: Running expense is also the most important factor aka fuel average. Mehran VX was launched in 1989 at 90,000 and was discontinued at 789,000 in 2019 while the replacement Alto VX was priced at 999,000. A difference of 210,000.
The purchase price of Mehran kept increasing from 1989 to 2019 and from your own sharing, the 2012 Mehran was better quality than a 2017 Mehran. In other words 2017 Mehran was higher purchase price and higher repair cost (because lower quality is not durable I don’t know much about but your own comments about the bumper are scattered over the place) than 2019 Mehran. And this is why technology change is important. Commodities always go up in purchase price because manufacturing improvement cannot be done to them. Once a product has reached the status of a commodity in its lifecycle (aka commoditization), only a new technology can bring any worthwhile reduction in purchase price or running expense or repair cost (in all 3 factors or any one of these factors).

Being cheap is expensive. Buy a 789,000 rupee Mehran and get the fuel efficiency of a 90,000 rupee Mehran even at the higher price OR buy a 999,000 rupee Alto and get the fuel efficiency of a 999,000 rupee car. So in this type of case it is a dilemma. A technology in Alto increased its purchase price but also decreased its running expense and your own comments are published in this website somewhere praising its fuel efficiency).
So all of us see the same way, no need to pick on others or to be irritated by what they post because what others post is exactly what you want. As far as Bolan and Ravi, they will also be replaced by a slightly more expensive (purchase price) model but having better fuel average (aka running expense) because it is the same engine as Alto.
Keep hoping for the Bolan not to die OR be positive for another product that’s going to be expensive upfront but will recover that cost in running expenses.

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By: Khurram https://carspiritpk.com/pakistan-to-get-new-swift-in-2022/#comment-7898 Tue, 28 Dec 2021 02:39:37 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=47220#comment-7898 In reply to Difference btw words & actions?.

You also claimed that I miswrote a word, here is the link from two dictionaries
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pilling
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pill
Unless you know more about English than the dictionaries, I believe that I spelt correctly but like I said your intention was negative and so you went by the word because of its connection to textile. 
Secondly, did you mention you do not assume? Well, you presented my comment to Hay again, did he not assume that I have money to buy a new Bolan and that the Bolan requires heavy repair cost? Aren’t both actions supposed? The notion about Bolan is already rejected by the market by the way. Or is Hay doing so okay because he is educated and he can do it? Next, you say A.G.S. is new, you even shared my replies? Thus, I can safely say that you have been ardently following through with each comment I have posted in the past. Then why did you choose to ignore my love for Suzuki Baleno, it was modern for its time? I made it quite clear then that any technology that would not increase purchase price and repair cost of vehicles for me would be appreciated by me. I believe the comment is still available on N.C.A.P. article words may be different but they mean the same. 
I think you are in a state of a heady feeling borne from self-righteousness, you even ignored ahadess about trying to follow a person and then expose him. I propose you seek mental therapy as well spiritual guidance my dear. 
Finally, please keep the blog clean and in future, avoid bringing the matter from the past or at-least refrain from misrepresenting it.
P.S. by the way, also learn what ahadees say about using different ids? Because if I am not wrong, the writing style that you have adopted sounds familiar to a person I have engaged with in the past, albeit using another pseudonym then.  

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By: Khurram https://carspiritpk.com/pakistan-to-get-new-swift-in-2022/#comment-7878 Mon, 27 Dec 2021 03:37:12 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=47220#comment-7878 In reply to Difference btw words & actions?.

Do not help me to correct my mistake, I am right, my brother is not commenting over here, I am, I would have been wrong had I not presented his views.

Clear niyat, blaming people of action they haven’t done? Wow, your education has actually blinded you, has it not?

First of all, were you right to question me in the first place? Secondly, why on earth are you or others trying to convince me? Why assume that I do not know anything about cars. I am Allhamdulillah fully capable of deciding what is good for me, in fact I know things that you guys cannot even imagine and I don’t want you to tell me what is going to fulfill my needs, by the way, would you like to be convinced by someone? If so, then that is okay but how can you suppose other people want an opinion from you, so my dear instead of making matters worse, you must realise that you are wrong over here. In my view, your supposition that I needed your help is the biggest insult to my intelligence and I am not going to forget it.
As for A.G.S. being knew, is it an embellishment? Is it expensive to repair as compared to old transmission set-up of Bolan? It is not, I have already clearly stated in my reply to guest that I love technology that would enable me to save money, in other words not cost extra to repair, and this A.G.S. is one such example. Same goes for a E.P.S…
As for difference of opinion, did you not read my sentence? My brother is against Bolan and Wagon R, new or used, so where exactly have I not admitted to having a difference of opinion. Or are you actually too stiff and harried to even read and understand a sentence.

P.S. You have a guilty conscience that is why you justified your action.
P.P.S. If you are so intent, re-read my replies to guest on global NCAP

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By: Difference btw words & actions? https://carspiritpk.com/pakistan-to-get-new-swift-in-2022/#comment-7851 Sat, 25 Dec 2021 18:28:41 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=47220#comment-7851 In reply to Khurram.

since you wanted to insult me, you misread my sentence and tried pilling dirt on me,

Assuming and accusing?
You assumed that I wanted to insult you. Full disclosure: Al hamd ulillah my niyyah is clear, I did not want to insult you. You are a passionate and regular poster in the CarSpiritPk community having strong and unwavering views even when others had been trying to convince you, I did want to know why there is a difference between your own 2 posts.
You assumed I misread even though in your previous posts there was no indication that it is on behalf of others. Let me copy-paste it:-

I have tried booking Cultus but they are saying itโ€™s closed

https://carspiritpk.com/pakistan-to-get-new-swift-in-2022/#comment-7769
and

Thirdly, this A.G.S. Cultus is being booked by my brother

https://carspiritpk.com/pakistan-to-get-new-swift-in-2022/#comment-7841

My conscience is clear, it is you who posted 2 different things in 2 different places. Let me help you correct your sentence:- “I have My brother has tried booking Cultus but they are saying itโ€™s closed”

Your another accusation “tried pilling[sic] dirt”. Is asking a question same a “pilling” dirt? You usually teach others about English grammar, words-meanings, let’s have an example from https://carspiritpk.com/if-other-cars-were-as-old-as-bolan/#comment-7136 and then yourself making a spelling mistake in your hurry to accuse me of a deed that you only assumed I wanted to perform?

This is not the first time you are threatening someone of withholding your forgiveness. Previously it was in reply to Hay again in this post https://carspiritpk.com/changan-hunter-wins-best-pickup-truck-award-in-saudi-arabia/

Blaming people of actions which they haven’t done and then threatening to never forgive nor forget?

he is completely against Wagon R or Bolan or for that matter, any type of second hand car.

Wagon R and Bolan can be brought brand new too.
Or did you mean that he is against Wagon R and Bolan whether new whether used?

P.P.S. By the way, what new technologies are you talking about in Cultus? As far as I am aware, It does not have any lane sensor, it does not have any blind monitor or T.P.M.S. or other embroideries, it does not even have any other technologies that the quoted article mentioned.

It doesn’t have most of the technologies from that quoted article. But

Isn’t AGS a new technology?
VXL has ABS. ABS isn’t a very new technology, but still new enough that Bolan can’t be fitted with ABS. Cultus also has electric power steering, a new technology. Why not prefer hydraulic power steering, an old technology.
And anyway Cultus is newer than many other options so profess what you confess, you’d choose the old one, but it is your brother whose doing the purchasing and apparently there is a difference of opinion.

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By: TruongNguyen https://carspiritpk.com/pakistan-to-get-new-swift-in-2022/#comment-7846 Sat, 25 Dec 2021 09:02:08 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=47220#comment-7846 ๐Ÿ˜ฑ All those arguments, swears, insults and curses thrown at us and many others and now you're telling us you don't even own a Bolan??? ๐Ÿ˜ฒ๐Ÿคฏ</span> <span>You were defending and standing by a car against a dozen people you don't even own all this time??? ๐Ÿคฏ๐Ÿคฏ๐Ÿคฏ</span> <span>Salute to your stubborn-ness Khurram. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘</span>]]> In reply to Khurram.

and do not even own a second hand Bolan.

Whaaat??? ๐Ÿ˜จ๐Ÿ˜ฑ All those arguments, swears, insults and curses thrown at us and many others and now you’re telling us you don’t even own a Bolan??? ๐Ÿ˜ฒ๐Ÿคฏ

You were defending and standing by a car against a dozen people you don’t even own all this time??? ๐Ÿคฏ๐Ÿคฏ๐Ÿคฏ

Salute to your stubborn-ness Khurram. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

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By: Khurram https://carspiritpk.com/pakistan-to-get-new-swift-in-2022/#comment-7841 Sat, 25 Dec 2021 05:28:18 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=47220#comment-7841 In reply to Difference btw words & actions?.

My my, firstly I am honored to know that my comments are being remembered and are becoming a cause of turn to two or three people. Secondly, I think I stated that my income Allhamdulillah ranges between PKR 15,000 to 45,000 a month so I mostly walk and do not even own a second hand Bolan.
Thirdly, the words that you are quoting over here, were said by me on behalf of myself and my uncle and people who still like Bolan and other older cars.
Thirdly, this A.G.S. Cultus is being booked by my brother and he is completely against Wagon R or Bolan or for that matter, any type of second hand car. By the way, I am surprised at you, A.G.S. is automatic and Bolan is manual so when I mention A.G.S. Bolan is definitely then ousted out of the option. However, since you wanted to insult me, you misread my sentence and tried pilling dirt on me, hopefully in future you would maintain civility and remember that due to this attitude I have gaslighted certain Pakistanis.

P.S. Now, didn’t you just assumed? Your imposition about my actions is not forgiven and shall never be forgotten either.
P.P.S. By the way, what new technologies are you talking about in Cultus? As far as I am aware, It does not have any lane sensor, it does not have any blind monitor or T.P.M.S. or other embroideries, it does not even have any other technologies that the quoted article mentioned.

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By: TruongNguyen https://carspiritpk.com/pakistan-to-get-new-swift-in-2022/#comment-7835 Fri, 24 Dec 2021 13:24:42 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=47220#comment-7835 ]]> In reply to Difference btw words & actions?.

Good point! And if I remember correctly, he did mention that he actually owns and drives the older Suzuki Cultus (2nd Gen) and that he is also quite happy and pleased with it, so hearing that he is going for the new Cultus with newer technology and features is quite surprising to me ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

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By: Difference btw words & actions? https://carspiritpk.com/pakistan-to-get-new-swift-in-2022/#comment-7828 Fri, 24 Dec 2021 11:22:41 +0000 https://carspiritpk.com/?p=47220#comment-7828 In reply to Khurram.

Khurram, you posted here https://carspiritpk.com/the-future-of-car-safety/#comment-7520 that

I think that I will inshaa Allah keep buying old technology cars

Can I dare to ask you that New Cultus (Celerio 2017+) has many of the newer technologies in it, and other vehicles with much older technologies are available in the market as zero meter or second hand then why would you prefer Cultus over them?

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